Bownet page on Avalon


RE: Bownet page on Avalon (longish) From: force10ten@aol.com (Force10Ten) Date: 1996/01/11 Stretchie recently wrote to me to ask why the Bownet website has a page that implies Natalia Valeeva used an Avalon at the World Indoor. As anyone who was there would know, Natalia won the World Indoor and Outdoor with a Radian. I am reproducing below an edited version of most of my reply to anybody interested, because I'm sure he's not the only one puzzled by this HTML document on the Bownet site. Regarding your recent message: Hoyt did not actually produce the page on the Bownet site, in fact they did not see it until the archery show in Indianapolis this past weekend. You are correct, Natalia Valeeva shot a Radian both at the World Indoor, and at the World Outdoor. (she won both) The Bownet guys meant well, and probably didn't know any better, they are simply trying to sell their service to manufacturers and picked Hoyt and Browning as prospective clients. Basically they cut and pasted the page together and then came to Hoyt, saying, isn't this neat, want to pay for it ?? As for the Avalon, I actually was the first archer to shoot an Avalon, at the Hoyt factory the same day the initial working prototype was tapped for a plunger, last April. It was an unfinished riser but had a working lateral alignment adjustment system. In the subsequent tests, the project leader, Bill Boynton, working with me and later, other (mostly better !) archers, found that changing limb alignment (deliberately "twisting" the limb) affected group placement but not group size ! This, even though we did not retune after the alignment change. The decision initially was made to produce the Avalon without an alignment adjustment feature. However, after the initial prototypes were distributed to the test team, feedback from other archers indicated they wanted the adjustment feature. I remain convinced that we recurve archers are far too concerned about limb alignment affecting accuracy. As long as the alignment is not changing during the course of a shooting session or over time, the group size (within limits) should not be affected after the initial tuning. This assumes the initial tuning properly compensates for the actual centershot condition of the particular bow. It is not particularly easy to get archers to believe this, and I would not believe it either had I not been involved in the test process. A quick story- several years ago, a certain left-handed Hoyt shooter was provided a bow (TD4) and proceeded to set it up and shoot it for a time. This shooter sent the bow back, complaining that it was twisted and could not shoot good scores. Hoyt resprayed the riser with a bright yellow color and gave it to a staff shooter, a fellow by the name of Jay Barrs, (we all get rejected stuff) who proceeded to shoot something in the mid 1320's. Jay heard the first shooter complaining in public about the bow he'd received... imagine the feeling of that shooter when Jay told him what he'd scored with the very same bow. I heard Jay went on to win some minor tournament in Seoul in 1988 with the same bow, but that's another story. On the other hand, mentally, it is nice to know one has a perfectly straight bow. It does take away a source of subconscious concern. George Tekmitchov --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Bownet page on Avalon (longish) From: jdickson@festival.ed.ac.uk (John Dickson) Date: 1996/01/12 <SNIP, Bownet Web pages stuff> Bownet have remedied the situation by swapping the words "Avalon" for "Radian" and popping a picture of some Radians where a rather pretty Avalon once lurked! ;-) John Dickson,(aka Stretch) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Bownet page on Avalon (longish) From: force10ten@aol.com (Force10Ten) Date: 1996/01/12 See, these guys are pretty good at their job ! George Tekmitchov --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bo575@torfree.net (Stan Siatkowski) Subject: Re: Bownet page on Avalon (longish) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:45:07 GMT Force10Ten (force10ten@aol.com) wrote: : I remain convinced that we recurve archers are far too concerned about : limb alignment affecting accuracy. As long as the alignment is not : changing during the course of a shooting session or over time, the group : size (within limits) should not be affected after the initial tuning. : It is not particularly easy to get archers to believe this, and I would : not believe it either had I not been involved in the test process. : (Jay Barrs anecdote) I'd have to agree. I shot next to Vladimir Esheev (USSR) at the 1987 World FITA Target Champs in Adelaide when he won the Grand FITA, and also had the highest FITA round. He was shooting a ratty old Hoyt TD3, chipped blue paint, frayed string, and the bottom limb was so twisted, the string lay about 1/4" out of line. No matter, as long as it's consistent. Stan Siatkowski ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Bownet page on Avalon (longish) From: jdickson@festival.ed.ac.uk (John Dickson) Date: 1996/01/16 bo575@torfree.net (Stan Siatkowski) writes: >I'd have to agree. I shot next to Vladimir Esheev (USSR) at the 1987 >World FITA Target Champs in Adelaide when he won the Grand FITA, and also >had the highest FITA round. He was shooting a ratty old Hoyt TD3, chipped >blue paint, frayed string, and the bottom limb was so twisted, the string >lay about 1/4" out of line. No matter, as long as it's consistent. BUT you don't know (you never can) how much better he might have shot with a "Insert what you think was the best bow around in 1987"???? Just because someone wins with peice of equipment A does not mean that peice of equipment A is as good as peice of equipment B. But yes of course in sentiment you're right, it's all down to the archer! Stretch PS So if you see Echeev with an Avalon with the bottom limb pocket adjusted way out to one side, you know why! John Dickson,(aka Stretch)

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